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kroboy
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mais quel merdier... Prochaine étape : Tate qui monte Geoff Tate's Queensryche (comme le gars de Greath White)
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Pour moi c'est une bonne nouvelle. Tate peut faire ce qu'il veut, il n y' a guère de chance que je m'y intéresse .
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Baalim
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Excellente nouvelle en ce qui me concerne.
La question va désormais être de savoir si Queensryche va devenir le tribute band que Rising West se destinait à être ou si le groupe sera capable de proposer du nouveau.
Vu la médiocrité (et c'est un euphémisme) des albums du groupes depuis une décennie, la barre n'est pas trop haute, surtout si La Torre, qui se revendique fan de QR depuis des lustres intervient.
Moi, je dis ça, je dis rien mais à la place du groupe, je repenserai à Savatage qui a souvent proposé des compositions écrites par O'neill et Oliva alors même qu'ils ne faisaient pas/plus partie du groupe...
"Allo, Chris, t'aurais pas deux minutes pour nous pondre un morceau ?" |
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| Posté le: Jeu 21 Juin 2012 12:36 Sujet du message: |
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Si QR fait ce qu'a fait Rising West (pendant une semaine  ), ce sera un fail épique et désastreux.
S'ils vont de l'avant, ce sera génial, à condition de se rappeler que le sieur Tate écrivait de bonnes paroles, jouait et programmait ses synthés, jouait aussi du saxo, voire écrivait de bons morceaux presque tout seul (Someone Else). Le remplacer ne sera pas qu'une question de voix. |
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DarkSchneider
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Mais justement, le groupe a dit clairement qu'il voulait revenir au style des début : donc exit le saxo, la pop et toutes ses fioritures. D'autant que je ne trouvais pas le groupe particulièrement bon dans ce domaine.
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Baalim
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C'est bien ça le problème.
Avant de devenir une nuisance pour le groupe, Geoff Tate a été son principal compositeur avec De Garmo.
Sans eux, on peut légitimement se demander ce que va pouvoir donner la composition au sein du groupe. |
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kroboy
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je vois bien un virage deathcore avec des bouts de dubstep
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On est sur le coup!
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Baalim
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Bof, le pire serait encore un virage pop, avec du saxo, des passages quasiment rappés et des morceaux craignos qui pourraient s'appeler, par exemple, "Got it Bad" ou "Hot Spot Junkie".
Là, ça serait vraiment flippant  |
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Baker
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Oui, par contre ça pourrait aussi s'inspirer de Pink Floyd, être super-oppressant avec des synthés bizarroïdes de partout, et se blairer Promised Land.
Ou taper dans le gros tube FM qui tue et s'intituler The Thin Line.
Ces morceaux-là, à mon avis, on peut se les mettre derrière l'oreille. Wait and see... |
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Avant de devenir une nuisance pour le groupe, Geoff Tate a été son principal compositeur avec De Garmo.
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Wilton a aussi beaucoup composé à l'époque "Metal" du groupe....
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Geoff Tate says he was ousted from Queensryche over money matters, and warns the upcoming legal battles are “going to get ugly.”
The prog metal giants last week announced they’d replaced the singer with Todd La Torre following a period of “creative differences.” But Tate says that’s not true – and the band’s behaviour added up to a “personal vendetta” against him.
And he reveals his side of the story about events which led to rumours of a knife fight circulating online.
He tells Rolling Stone: “To have creative differences you have to have two entities or more offering up creative ideas. That just wasn’t the case. Queensryche has always been my idea. Of the 144 songs Queensryche has released, I’ve written 116 of those. I present ideas to the other guys and the go, ‘Yeah, sure, that sounds good to us.’”
He insists Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson, Scott Rockenfield and Parker Lundgren never raised any grievances with him at any time, and they were all supportive of the band’s recent projects including their cabaret tour and recent album Dedicated to Chaos.
Rumours arose earlier this year that Tate had drawn a knife on another member of the band in Brazil after overhearing plans to sack him. But he explains: “There was no knife involved. Before the show we had a meeting and I asked them straight up about the rumours I’d heard about them replacing me. They said they weren’t planning on replacing me, but they had just fired our manager, our office assistant and one of the guitar techs – who all happened to be my family members.
“I asked them, ‘Why is this happening?’ They couldn’t give me a straight answer, or any answer that made any kind of business sense. It seemed like a personal vendetta against me.
“We went to do the show. I’m getting ready by my station and Scott looks at me, smirks and says: ‘We just fired your whole family – and you’re next.’ I just lost it. I tried to punch him. On my way I managed to shove Wilton, and, really, that was it.”
Tate is now preparing to fight his ex-bandmates in court. He argues they don’t have the right to fire him and carry on under the Queensryche name, and warns: “We’re in a lawsuit right now and it’s probably going to get ugly.”
He believes his ex-bandmates’ motivation was purely financial, explaining: “I’m a 25 percent holder in our companies. I think it’s just business – cut me out and split 25 percent and hire some young guy that’s going to work for a weekly wage so they make more money. It’s just ridiculous.
“I’m not angry; I’m more hurt by it all. This has been my life’s work. To have them do what they’re doing and kick me out? I didn’t realise these guys were those kind of people. It’s shocking to me.”
The singer warns Queensryche fans that they may not get what they pay for if the new lineup attempts to perform under the name. “I’ve always tried to do different things with the live shows, trying to make them interesting and unique and different, rather than just five guys up there playing songs,” he says.
“I tried to create a theatrical environment for the presentation and I think people like that. Without me, that won’t happen – I can guarantee that.” |
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La réponse du groupe aux propos de Tate:
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‘Violent’ Tate cut secret Mindcrime movie deal
Queensryche drummer Scott Rockenfield says the band were forced to fire singer Geoff Tate as a result of ongoing violent and dominating behaviour.
Rockenfield has detailed a series of events which he says proves they had no option but to oust the frontman, including a series of spitting and punching incidents ahead of a concert in Brazil in April.
He says Tate’s statement that the band didn’t write songs is untrue – and that claims he taunted his ex-bandmate by saying “I’ve fired your family and now I’m going to fire you” is “a complete lie.”
And he reveals the crunch came when the band discovered Tate had cut a secret deal to make a movie based on classic album Operation: Mindcrime.
In a court declaration Rockenfield says: “Geoff Tate’s ongoing assault and anger issues have become a serious detriment to the brand of Queensryche.
“In 2000, we had a band meeting regarding our next CD. He did not like some topics of discussion and stormed out of the meeting after throwing a chair across the room.
“In 2007, Geoff Tate approached me in the band’s dressing room and proceeded to smash my laptop on the table and then hit me in the face while spitting on me and pushing me around the room for approximately 15 minutes.
“On April 14, 2012, in Sao Paulo, Brazil, Geoff Tate violently attacked and assaulted Michael Wilton, Eddie Jackson and me on stage just prior to showtime. Geoff Tate’s claim that I said to him, ‘I’ve fired your family and now I’m going to fire you’ is a complete lie and many witnesses support this.”
Rockenfield says he was approached about a Mindcrime animated feature film in 2010. Plans were not finalised but in 2011 he says Tate and wife Susan, who managed Queensryche until they sacked her earlier this year, instructed movie makers to stop including the rest of the band in ongoing conversations.
He continues: “I received an email stating that Geoff Tate had signed the agreement for the rights without any knowledge given to the other band members. The deal also contained an advance of monies. Michael Wilton and Eddie Jackson had never been told about any film deals, and they were very upset about Geoff Tate presuming that he alone had the right to sign over any deals.”
The drummer says that’s what led to the violent altercation in Brazil. “The band held a meeting in our dressing room at Geoff Tate’s request,” he states. “We asked Geoff Tate about this movie deal. He responded that he knew nothing. When asked further questions, Geoff Tate responded by saying, ‘Yes, I signed a deal for the story rights and that was a deal for me.’ The band members absolutely disagree with him – no one band member has any rights to sign contracts or accept offers on behalf of Queensryche properties.”
Matters escalated when they took to the stage that night, Rockenfield reports: “Geoff Tate walked in front of my drums and spit into my face while proceeding to yell obscenities at me. Geoff Tate then pushed my drums down onto the drum riser, causing the first delays for the show.
“Geoff Tate then confronted Michael Wilton face to face. He proceeded to yell obscenities at him before striking him with his fist on the right upper side of Michael Wilton’s face. I came to Michael Wilton’s aid and told Geoff Tate to back off. Geoff Tate continued to yell obscenities and spit at both Michael Wilton and me, and then proceeded to strike me in the face twice.
“The local stage security and our own crew came to assist in trying to subdue Geoff Tate. Local security created a barrier to keep Geoff Tate from approaching. This behaviour continued for about 20 to 25 minutes while we were forced to delay the show. Michael Wilton was handed an ice pack to hold to his face to try and keep any swelling to a minimum. The other band members and the band’s crew had to fix the damage caused to their equipment during this assault before the show could proceed as scheduled.”
Rockenfield says their tour manager told them to travel separately from Tate, and to remain in their hotel rooms to avoid further confrontation. He then arranged for the singer to take a different flight home than the one which had been scheduled.
And the drummer believes he can disprove Tate’s claims that he was the only band member to contribute songs to their recent albums.
He says: “I have hard drives of song material written by Eddie Jackson, Michael Wilton and I that have dates and times on the files showing that in 2010 we had written dozens of hard rock songs that Geoff Tate even began singing on, but eventually was not interested in completing. He changed direction on us in late 2010 and only wanted to pursue a more pop-sounding CD.”
He concludes: “Geoff Tate was no longer allowed to travel with the band, stay in the same hotels, participate in any band interviews, and had to be escorted at the venues with security. This was a very damaging form of business and had left the band with no choice but to move on without him.” |
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C'est génial!
Ça manque de cul et d'alcool, mais c'est génial!
Qui en veut?
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| Posté le: Mer 11 Juil 2012 17:50 Sujet du message: |
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ben c'est des progueux. Avec un groupe de glam t'aurais eu ton compte
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un livre Kroboy approved
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Tate vient de se prendre une fessée au tribunal :
The remaining three members of Queensryche have defeated an attempt by former singer Geoff Tate to take control of their band name.
The company AGPS Management, who replace Tate's wife Susan in managing the band, released this statement to Billboard:
"We are excited that the Washington courts saw what we and the fans have always known, that Queensryche is more than any one member," Parrish said. "We are sorry we had to go to court to show this, but we are determined to bring back the quality product Queensryche was known for. We can’t wait to unveil to the fans what’s next musically."
Et voilà qui confirme que le groupe n'en était plus un :
Before the motion had been defeated, Geoff Tate defended himself from accusations made by the band. Producer Jason Slater even claimed that most of the group hardly played on the album "Operation: Mindcrime II".
"When I met the band, everyone seemed enthusiastic about making the CD, but as we began working, none of the band members except for Geoff Tate were interested in contributing, showing up for recording sessions or participating in any fashion. On several occasions, studio time was arranged but none of the band members showed up. This left myself, Geoff Tate, and Mike Stone [former guitarist] to write and record the record." |
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Baalim
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Bon, ça sera court :
Pendant ce temps, une certaine revue de hard rock française relate les évènements récents en se lamentant de l'éviction de Geoff tate... |
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DarkSchneider
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Ce qui est assez incroyable c'est que les longues déclarations pour le tribunal des membres du groupes (autre que Tate) expliquent que les choses ont commencé à sérieusement se dégrader depuis...Promised land! Après Tribe, Wilton (je crois), songeais sérieusement à se barrer mais sa femme l'a incité à rester car fallait qu'il ramène de la thune à la maison... c'est vraiment du pur business... et Queensryche n'est certainement pas le seul groupe à fonctionner ainsi, sauf que eux on voyait déjà depuis plusieurs années que le cœur n'y était plus (c'était tellement flagrant à ce fameux concert du hellfest...).
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