Les artistes LION MUSIC en guerre contre le piratage

Lucificum

ASHENT SPEAK OUT ON "THE MURDER OF MUSIC"

Since the first day of our existance as band, the p2p already existed. Every day of our life as musicians has been underlined by the awareness to create music mainly for free, and every new year this potential risk has became stronger.

It's clear that the collapse of sales has been truly remarkable and we usually call it "the factor 10": ten years ago a professional metal band could sell an X amount of copies, now the same band sells ten times less. Probably, in the next ten years, the same poor band will sell ten times less in comparison with the 2009 statements and so on. So the trend is easily predictable: continuing in this way, the music industry, as we know it, will disappear in few years.

A first consideration could be: file sharing is certainly the cause of this collapse. Piracy is killing the entire music scene, and internet has given the perfect technology in order to help this endemic process.

Because piracy always existed from the invention of Audiocassettes, but the increase of possibilities of communication multiplied the consequences with unimaginable speed until a few years ago.

But at the same time, we truly think that the web represents an excellent promoting instrument for music, lowering costs, giving visibility an so on.

So we have this paradox: the same instrument helps to develop and simultaneously kills the music bussiness.

A second consideration should be: is the Web killing the people's need of music? The answer is NO.

It's not like cinema vs theatre: 1 century ago the newest art slowly started to kill the interest in theatre. Luckily Internet is only a new resource, not a new art.It's a refined form of communication that is changing our life, as radio and television already did during the last decades. But radio and television didn't destroy music!

So the third consideration has to be: the world is totally changed and the music bussines can’t continue to sell music in the same way of 50 years ago!

We believe that the correct solution is not to produce more severe laws against “pirates” (more or less, all the people that own an internet access) but to renew completely the way to sell music: and we also think that it’s not a problem that can be solved by the “small” metal labels but directly by the big U.S. Majors.

We think that the web is a big shop with a lot of stolen items. In this scenario we have 3 subjects: the sad producer (labels, bands, musicians), the happy merchant (societies that sell the web access, personal computers, mp3-players) and the customers (“the pirates”).

At least a half of the internet’s success is linked to the possibility to see movies and to listen to music for free, and it’s full of societies that gained billions of euros in these last ten years, knowing that a half of their success is connected with this possibility.

So we can only deduce that:

The money spent by the public "moved" from the acquisition of music to the monthly subscriptions in order to access in internet (and mp3players, and so on). It’s time to change some outdated dogmas of music-business, creating economic agreements between sellers of internet access (who exploit the appeal of films and music), and who physically produces music and movies, investing their lives.

This is a serious solution: it’s full of countries with severe laws against this or that, but the trend never stopped, so it’s time to start a new way also because, probably the real pirate is not the person who spends 25-30 euros every month for an internet access (equal to 2 new cd),and 1000 euros (and often, also more) every couple of years for a new PC-Mac (80 new albums?).

Ok, and in the meantime?

The metal scene is largely self-financed by bands that spend money, time and energy in order to follow this passion called music. The metal scene is also relatively not influential on the fate of the music world because its numbers are small. We can't change the trend alone and maybe we probably benefit only from changes made by others in the next future. But until that day, the metal scene will depend on the passion of the fans and music-lovers that still invest money DIRECTLY in music. So, if you really like a band, please buy the cd!

Onofrio Falanga
ASHENT

http://www.ashent.net/

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anoraknophobic · Clakmonfricomaniac Inscrit le: 10 Aoû 2007 Messages: 3038

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J'achète !
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Faris · Inscrit le: 16 Juil 2008 Messages: 2332

Je connais pas la musique du groupe mais putain ils ont pas de la purée entre les oreilles pour une fois!
Ca fait plaisir à lire.
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Lucificum

MILAN POLAK SPEAKS OUT ON THE MURDER OF MUSIC

Some time ago I talked to a fan and she said, "I really love your music, I downloaded all your CD's". I was stunned by the way she said it like as if it was the most natural thing in the world. I told her, "Thank you for stealing my money" and she replied, "I'm not STEALING any money from you, I'm just not GIVING you any!" - and there we have the problem:

People obviously have a wrong comprehension. They don't seem to take into consideration that making a CD costs money. Apart from the fact that I - as most of us - have to pay my rent, electricity, etc., recording a CD also costs money. As much as I love my work but someone has to pay for the studio (which can be up to 1.000 dollars/DAY!), the musicians, the producer, the engineer, the mixing, the mastering, the photographer, the artwork, etc. All these people obviously do not work for free.

I mean you wouldn't go to the supermarket and just take whatever you want without paying or get a hair cut or go to a restaurant for dinner without paying. In all these cases it's understood that one has to pay but when it comes to music people have this distorted way of thinking that music is a free product for everyone.

It is kind of saddening when I read a CD review where someone says, "Yeah, Milan's songs are great but the production is a bit weak." I mean, I too would like to have the sound of the new Nickelback album but productions like these cost up to 2 million dollars. Unfortunately, my record company doesn't give me a budget for a production like this and you know why? Because they don't sell enough of my CD's. Now one could say, "Well right but obviously Milan is not as famous as those bands"... True BUT when I compare the amount of fan mail I get with my sales it doesn't take the genius of Einstein to see that something's not matching...

At this point I am writing my new CD and I am planning to do everything myself. Not because I am an egomaniac but because I just don't want to spend all the money I spent in the past when the sales don't even recoup my expenses.

I hear so many people complain about the bad quality of music you get to hear on radio or TV today but let me tell you something: it might just as well be YOUR fault! Let me try to explain: a band like AC/DC or Van Halen or Kiss or Iron Maiden (and the list goes on forever) took several albums to develop and grow. Maybe they changed their sound or song writing a bit, maybe they took several years to finish a record (just think of Metallica's famous black album). All this is not possible for a new band anymore and that's why there's hardly any new great bands emerging nowadays. Record companies just do not have the budgets anymore. While established bands already have made enough money in the past to survive, an upcoming band is almost certainly doomed to perish.

If you like any of those great old bands then make sure to catch them when they come to play near you, might as well be the last time you get a chance to see a great live band as music in this form is definitely a dying art thanks to the illegal file sharing problem.

Thank you for having taken the time to read this. Hopefully it has helped to give you a better insight on what's going on behind the scenes of making a CD and why SELLING CD's is so important.

All the best,
Milan Polak

www.milanpolak.com | www.myspace.com/milanpolak
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TheDecline01

Ca tourne en rond à force ce genre de déclaration ... et à force d'en faire, ils lassent et vont obtenir exactement l'inverse de ce qu'ils cherchent, soit se mettre la population à dos.
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Lucificum · Posté le: Sam 06 Mar 2010 13:10 Sujet du message:

En même temps, c'est des artistes Lion, hein. Je veux dire, il ne doit pas y avoir plus de 10 pelés et tondus pour lire leur prose, hein.
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kroboy · Posté le: Sam 06 Mar 2010 13:14 Sujet du message:

ni écouter leur zique lol

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joe le hareng · Posté le: Sam 06 Mar 2010 13:14 Sujet du message:

Sauf, que nous on est obligé... :cry:

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It's a trap!

Lucificum · Posté le: Sam 06 Mar 2010 16:53 Sujet du message:

Faut pas exagérer, y a des trucs bien Lion.

Si si, y a....euh....et puis....et puis ce groupe, là, comment ils s'appellent...

euh....

Ah, si, y a Emir Hot.

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sebrouxx · Posté le: Dim 07 Mar 2010 23:36 Sujet du message:

George Lynch/Lynch Mob
Steve Lukather
Jennifer Batten
Tony McAlpine
Charly Sahona

C'est déjà ça de pris.

ORL · Inscrit le: 29 Avr 2010 Messages: 73

Comme le dit Manu Chao (qui ne doit pas être cité souvent ici) "Le disque vend plus ? On s'en fout, on refera des concerts, ça sera même pas plus mal".

C'est vrai le principe du droits d'auteur est une vraie connerie. Tu vis toute ta vie des rentes de ce que tu as fait une fois..... Parce qu'il faut être bien clair, ça n'est pas pour la (très) maigre proportion de ce que les artistes touchent sur le prix de vente de l'album qu'ils braillent, c'est sur leurs droits, qui dérivent directement de ces ventes.... Bref, un beau consensus entre les majors (qui sont les principales emmerdées, faut être clair) et les blockbusters du disque. Le premier groupe cité m'a fait vomir perso.

Bref, content d'être libre, quoi (merci CCC d'avoir parlé de ça, d'ailleurs).

anoraknophobic · Clakmonfricomaniac Inscrit le: 10 Aoû 2007 Messages: 3038

ORL · Inscrit le: 29 Avr 2010 Messages: 73

Bah, en fait, c'est du larmoyant pour rien.
Les petits groupes ont toujours galéré, ça n'est récent. Ca n'est pas bon (je fais ce que je peux à mon échelle pour aller contre ça), mais ça n'a certainement rien à voir avec tout ça. Ca a à voir avec les stratégies de blocage des tourneurs, mais c'est une autre question.
Les tourneurs, eux, vont très bien, merci, d'ailleurs, maintenant qu'ils ont bien pillé les festivals en négociant les cachets par tranche de 5000 €, ils achètent des mursde salles à Paris.... C'est parfait, la boucle est bouclée.

Non, plus sérieusement, et de manière un peu moins cynique, le concert se porte relativement bien, et de toute façon, les solutions alternatives ne cherchent pas à reproduire les modèles de mass-media, donc ne sont pas réellement en concurrence avec ce genre de blockbusters. Comme le disait quelqu'un plus haut, c'est pas sur ce genre de forums de passionnés, d'ailleurs, qu'on trouve les gens que les majors qualifient de "pirates".

Pietro

Melmoth · Inscrit le: 11 Aoû 2007 Messages: 534

La gratuité d'un webzine "tue" aussi le journalisme.

ORL · Inscrit le: 29 Avr 2010 Messages: 73

plus que payante ou gratuite : libre => www.artlibre.org
(malheureusement systématiquement associé à "amateur" aujourd'hui, lui même systématiquement associé à "de mauvaise qualité" aujourd'hui... il n'y a bien que dans le porno que la consommation d'amateur dépasse celle de prod "non-amateur" - encore qu'il faudrait le vérifier)

Et je te rejoins tout à fait. C'était même finalement écrit dans les fondements de l'internet ce genre de prise en mains par les utilisateurs.